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documents provided by nsa leaker edward snowden. the spanish government summoned the american ambassador asking for an explanation. >>> this weekend, thousands of protesters marched on capitol hill demanding an end to the government surveillance program at home and abroad. many carried signs praising snowden and thanking him for blowing wistle on the nsa by leaking classified documents. this comes as international outrage builds over the broad scope of the nsa's data gathering over years. european leaders continue to put pressure on the country to for a new spying deal on allies. chefon, thank you so much for your time. >> thank you. >> let's explain why it is some officials have explained perhaps why the president would not know about this for five years. >> as it was explained to us, this type of surveillance is the type of program or decision that would be executed at the level of the national security agency and the way the protocols are set up at this point, that's sort of where the line of information would stop. there isn't n
documents provided by nsa leaker edward snowden. the spanish government summoned the american ambassador asking for an explanation. >>> this weekend, thousands of protesters marched on capitol hill demanding an end to the government surveillance program at home and abroad. many carried signs praising snowden and thanking him for blowing wistle on the nsa by leaking classified documents. this comes as international outrage builds over the broad scope of the nsa's data gathering over...
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guys, the nsa is doing it already. don't worry about the black box. >> and of course there was a day when just your taxes would pay for the roads. that's an interesting thought. we'll see you tomorrow. this was a man that once said i have a ba in dope and a ph.d. in soul. one of his classic lines. lou reed. lead singer of the band velvet underground died. the word icon, we throw it around a lot these days but there's little other way to describe lou reed. he influenced musicians from david bowie to talking heads and beyond that. velvet underground was backed and produced by andy warhol with the iconic banana on the cover of the first album. that album was a flop. it only sold 30,000 copies in it's first five years but one producer famously characterized the group's influence saying but everyone who bought one of those 30,000 copies started a band. his solo career spawned his most famous single, walk on the wild side. his music could be pretty complicated and confounding. he was open about his experiences with drugs and
guys, the nsa is doing it already. don't worry about the black box. >> and of course there was a day when just your taxes would pay for the roads. that's an interesting thought. we'll see you tomorrow. this was a man that once said i have a ba in dope and a ph.d. in soul. one of his classic lines. lou reed. lead singer of the band velvet underground died. the word icon, we throw it around a lot these days but there's little other way to describe lou reed. he influenced musicians from...
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i agree with him, nsa spying that protects our national security is critical. but he is lumping in this what i would call gratuitous spying on our leaders that could have enormous consequences for our national security. >> what if this is just trust but verify? >> listen, in the end trust but verify comes down to a very simple proposition. they all knew that we're spying. they do it, everybody does it. but the fact of the matter is, is that there's gambling going on upstairs. all of a sudden there's a revelation. it's the damage that was done now, thomas, and the biggest concern that i have is that we really didn't have to be snooping on chancellor merkel's phone conversations to know what's going on in germany. we didn't have to be doing this. this is an nsa that has run out of control at this point. >>> so reform on the rocks. even senator marco rubio admits that efforts to change immigration reform and the law not going so good. the agenda panel will weigh in on that coming up. >>> jay z breaking his silence about his big deal with the department store barne
i agree with him, nsa spying that protects our national security is critical. but he is lumping in this what i would call gratuitous spying on our leaders that could have enormous consequences for our national security. >> what if this is just trust but verify? >> listen, in the end trust but verify comes down to a very simple proposition. they all knew that we're spying. they do it, everybody does it. but the fact of the matter is, is that there's gambling going on upstairs. all of...
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this is nsa memos. that's one part. the second part has to do with the fact the white house is now saying we're not going to do it going forward. you get the sense that they know they are embarrassed by the revelations. they are not necessarily embarrassed by the tactics but embarrassed they got caught. >> take a look at what some of the eu parliamentarians came, axle voss from germany speaking on capitol hill to frank. >> frustration, anger, the feeling no one is controlling the nsa, no one is respecting privacy rights. no one is respecting data protection standouts. therefore we are in a mix of anger and frustration but also trying to keep the relationship alive. >> but they want answers. they said these were frank discussions. mark, you and i have covered foreign policy a long time. this is a very unhappy group of people. to a certain extent there's spying everywhere. we know that. it's a little shock. there's gambling at mr. rick's. the germans want the same special relationship of no spying agreement that we have w
this is nsa memos. that's one part. the second part has to do with the fact the white house is now saying we're not going to do it going forward. you get the sense that they know they are embarrassed by the revelations. they are not necessarily embarrassed by the tactics but embarrassed they got caught. >> take a look at what some of the eu parliamentarians came, axle voss from germany speaking on capitol hill to frank. >> frustration, anger, the feeling no one is controlling the...
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the nsa went on record to say that the president did not know about it. it makes me feel worse actually. the president has been forced to apologize not only to merkel but france's president and brazil's president. the eu is threatening to cancel pending trade talks. thanks, edward snowden, we appreciate it. let's spin. there's a lot of directions to go. one of the dynamic that's really interesting, to consider president obama's position here, i think we've all been trying to figure out where exactly he stands. he's been hawkish in some ways and continued a lot of these programs but he also seems sort of ret sent, saying they suspended the spying operations, they didn't know about it. peter king said something interesting over the weekend that sort of speaks to that. >> the president should stop apologizing and being defensive. the realty is the nsa has saved thousands of lives not just in united states but in france and germany and throughout europe. quite frankly they have done so much for our country and help this president in his term, he should be --
the nsa went on record to say that the president did not know about it. it makes me feel worse actually. the president has been forced to apologize not only to merkel but france's president and brazil's president. the eu is threatening to cancel pending trade talks. thanks, edward snowden, we appreciate it. let's spin. there's a lot of directions to go. one of the dynamic that's really interesting, to consider president obama's position here, i think we've all been trying to figure out where...
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their leader is calling for talks about the nsa's
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if he didn't know he presided over an nsa that was unaccountable. if i had to bet i'd put my money on he didn't know all along. if he did, it would be too impractical to tell him. >> i take the president his word about this, just given the scope of how much information was getting vacuumed up. >> that's some high-level information, though, isn't it? this is different than metadata, to peter's point of this is tapping angela merkel's cell phone. >> if the president did not know that we were vacuuming up calls and information from our closest allies, then the thing really, really, has spun completely out of control. >> ezra, the third point there, okay, so maybe the president is mad. maybe the american public is mad. the jury is still out on that. the third question is are the leaders themselves actually mad? i think it's different with the germans, you have brazilians who canceled state visit, mexicans calling for ambassadorial meetings, the spanish also in inquiring and the french who were indignant and outraged. >> they are always the best. >> i do
if he didn't know he presided over an nsa that was unaccountable. if i had to bet i'd put my money on he didn't know all along. if he did, it would be too impractical to tell him. >> i take the president his word about this, just given the scope of how much information was getting vacuumed up. >> that's some high-level information, though, isn't it? this is different than metadata, to peter's point of this is tapping angela merkel's cell phone. >> if the president did not know...
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>> first about nsa collection, it seems increasingly clear if nsa could collect a signal it would. and just add to this ever greater pile of data. analysts couldn't possibly have gone through and made sense of all the signals that they had access to. in terms of spying on the world leaders, the 35 world leaders which is the latest thing that's riled the europeans and people all over the world, it's hard to imagine, if you captured something of interest from angela merkel's cell phone that reference to that wouldn't end up in the president's daily brief. may not say obtained through surveillance of her cell phone but the intelligence would be there otherwise why would you have it? snowden revelations, just keep rolling at the world and at the obama administration. i'm surprised there's not more push back because it's triggered a response by major nations, france, germany, even britain that's been our partner said it will work with the europeans for new rules. we'll come out of this with new rules that the nsa has to live with. somewhat more limited collection of these signals. the q
>> first about nsa collection, it seems increasingly clear if nsa could collect a signal it would. and just add to this ever greater pile of data. analysts couldn't possibly have gone through and made sense of all the signals that they had access to. in terms of spying on the world leaders, the 35 world leaders which is the latest thing that's riled the europeans and people all over the world, it's hard to imagine, if you captured something of interest from angela merkel's cell phone that...
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good morning to you. >> hi, veronica. >> let's talk about the nsa listening in on heads of state. how do you feel these revelations have effeaffected t united states and what damage has been done. >> it's too early to tell how much lasting damage but it's a bit of a public relations problem for the white house. you have a close ally in angela merkel who the president has tried to develop a working relationship on issues like terrorism, the global economy and now she is very upset and probably rightly so about the revelations that the u.s. has been tapping her cell phone now as far back as 2002 in the bush administration and the question is whether the president was ever briefed about this. if not, why not? why didn't he end it earlier? but the white house saying the president didn't know about it until recently and they stopped it. they're going to send a delegation here to get to the bottom of it. >> let's talk about what's happening here in washington. not everyone is angry about this. we have republican sasing these countries should be thankful. we heard from peter king earlier
good morning to you. >> hi, veronica. >> let's talk about the nsa listening in on heads of state. how do you feel these revelations have effeaffected t united states and what damage has been done. >> it's too early to tell how much lasting damage but it's a bit of a public relations problem for the white house. you have a close ally in angela merkel who the president has tried to develop a working relationship on issues like terrorism, the global economy and now she is very...
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why weren't you monitoring. >> the other issue is the nsa mismanagement. that's another thing about this white house. they don't like to fire people in the moment. people then get fired like five months later and decide to leave. general alexander, we know he is leaving and they are trying to say it's not connected. of course it is. everybody in the intelligence community is furious. >> i'm sure you had several people say this to you and people say we don't work on washington's time frame. everyone is calling for someone to be fired. we work on a different time frame. you run the risk of a period like you are not handling an issue and taking it seriously. >> i do. i have been in that position at governor's level and you want to be careful about this stuff. particularly the relationships. >> feed you people. >> but you do eventually fire somebody and you like to wait? >> you move them quietly. >> you all love that. >> i can make so many jokes. hold off. we will talk more hot politics and that will get you fired up. tension at the top. we look at the rocky r
why weren't you monitoring. >> the other issue is the nsa mismanagement. that's another thing about this white house. they don't like to fire people in the moment. people then get fired like five months later and decide to leave. general alexander, we know he is leaving and they are trying to say it's not connected. of course it is. everybody in the intelligence community is furious. >> i'm sure you had several people say this to you and people say we don't work on washington's time...
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he should stand with the nsa. he should be there with general alexander and the troops there. >> why don't we have a bigger debate, then, in congress? we really haven't had a debate in congress since 2001 to say what's appropriate use of executive power, what's appropriate use of spying that goes on? drones came up this week in the collateral damage from drones. what are the powers the president should have to fight terrorism? it seems like congress doesn't really want to have that debate because they're afraid to do it because they don't want to look weak. finally, some are saying let's push the debate out into the open. >> i'm not afraid of anything, but if we go too much into the open, then we let the enemy know what's going on and we create problems. the idea is we have to have a stronger fence, we have to have stronger spying, if you want to call it, stronger surveillance, and as far as the use of drones, the fact is every war there is collateral damage. unfortunately, innocent people are killed. but the effo
he should stand with the nsa. he should be there with general alexander and the troops there. >> why don't we have a bigger debate, then, in congress? we really haven't had a debate in congress since 2001 to say what's appropriate use of executive power, what's appropriate use of spying that goes on? drones came up this week in the collateral damage from drones. what are the powers the president should have to fight terrorism? it seems like congress doesn't really want to have that debate...